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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-33041</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne: you should probably not be logging in as root (apologies if you just left off the sudo).</description>
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		<title>By: Anne Onimos</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-33037</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Onimos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Tynt Insight:

If you&#039;re running Mac OSX or Linux or a UNIX-like...

1. Open a terminal.
2. Type the following
   echo &#039;127.0.0.1 tcr.tynt.com&#039; &gt;&gt; /etc/hosts
   Then press return.
3. Problem solved, globally.

This makes your computer look for tcr.tynt.com (the server with the JavaScript that makes this irritating thing work) on itself, where of course it does not exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Tynt Insight:</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re running Mac OSX or Linux or a UNIX-like&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Open a terminal.<br />
2. Type the following<br />
   echo &#8217;127.0.0.1 tcr.tynt.com&#8217; &gt;&gt; /etc/hosts<br />
   Then press return.<br />
3. Problem solved, globally.</p>
<p>This makes your computer look for tcr.tynt.com (the server with the JavaScript that makes this irritating thing work) on itself, where of course it does not exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Re: CBC Permissions FAQ</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-33027</link>
		<dc:creator>Re: CBC Permissions FAQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Cameron; it would be great if the CBC would consider providing their users with information on fair dealing.  As it is, some of the information on their site is misleading.

One important feature of fair dealing is the non-requirement for individuals to ask permission from the copyright owner prior to using the material.  

In the Permissions FAQ on the CBC&#039;s website they limit fair dealing by making permission a requirement 
http://www.cbc.ca/permissions/faq-text.html#1. 

&quot;May I quote from an article on your website? / May I use an excerpt from one of your articles?

Under certain circumstances, it is permissible to quote or take an excerpt from a CBC.ca article; however, prior permission is required before using any CBC.ca text in this manner. Please submit a Permissions request for our consideration. &quot; 
(quote included without permission)

If permission were required as the CBC suggests, then fair dealing really isn&#039;t an exception at all and it is meaningless to include the language in the Copyright Act.  When people who may not be familiar with the law read the FAQ they may believe permission is manditory in all cases, when in reality, it is not.  

I wrote to the CBC last summer by way of their online form and asked if they were aware of fair dealing and an individual&#039;s right to quote and excerpt without permission.  I asked them to revisit the information in their FAQ as their answer is misleading.    Unfortunately, I did not receive a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Cameron; it would be great if the CBC would consider providing their users with information on fair dealing.  As it is, some of the information on their site is misleading.</p>
<p>One important feature of fair dealing is the non-requirement for individuals to ask permission from the copyright owner prior to using the material.  </p>
<p>In the Permissions FAQ on the CBC&#8217;s website they limit fair dealing by making permission a requirement<br />
<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/permissions/faq-text.html#1" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/permissions/faq-text.html#1</a>. </p>
<p>&#8220;May I quote from an article on your website? / May I use an excerpt from one of your articles?</p>
<p>Under certain circumstances, it is permissible to quote or take an excerpt from a CBC.ca article; however, prior permission is required before using any CBC.ca text in this manner. Please submit a Permissions request for our consideration. &#8221;<br />
(quote included without permission)</p>
<p>If permission were required as the CBC suggests, then fair dealing really isn&#8217;t an exception at all and it is meaningless to include the language in the Copyright Act.  When people who may not be familiar with the law read the FAQ they may believe permission is manditory in all cases, when in reality, it is not.  </p>
<p>I wrote to the CBC last summer by way of their online form and asked if they were aware of fair dealing and an individual&#8217;s right to quote and excerpt without permission.  I asked them to revisit the information in their FAQ as their answer is misleading.    Unfortunately, I did not receive a response.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonN</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-33023</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do Canadians have to pay for CBC articles when they have already paid to have those articles written through their tax dollars for public use and consumption.  We own the CBC and they work for us.  The CBC is not a &quot;for profit&quot; corporate entity and it should not act as one which is trying to compete with advertising dollar biased corporate media.  I will be happy to see Harper disappear from the political scene come the next election when we can a get a new government in which will supports the CBC by sending more of our tax dollars their way instead of trying to kill it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do Canadians have to pay for CBC articles when they have already paid to have those articles written through their tax dollars for public use and consumption.  We own the CBC and they work for us.  The CBC is not a &#8220;for profit&#8221; corporate entity and it should not act as one which is trying to compete with advertising dollar biased corporate media.  I will be happy to see Harper disappear from the political scene come the next election when we can a get a new government in which will supports the CBC by sending more of our tax dollars their way instead of trying to kill it.</p>
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		<title>By: Serge</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-33022</link>
		<dc:creator>Serge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand all the fuss.  Did someone rewrite copyright law when we weren&#039;t looking?  Otherwise, we never had the right to simple cut and paste the CBC&#039;s web site onto our own.  Link, sure.  Excerpt appropriately for the purpose of fair dealing, sure.  All this widget seems to be doing, though, is trying to monetize activity that we&#039;d be legally required to pay the CBC to do anyway.  What&#039;s the big deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand all the fuss.  Did someone rewrite copyright law when we weren&#8217;t looking?  Otherwise, we never had the right to simple cut and paste the CBC&#8217;s web site onto our own.  Link, sure.  Excerpt appropriately for the purpose of fair dealing, sure.  All this widget seems to be doing, though, is trying to monetize activity that we&#8217;d be legally required to pay the CBC to do anyway.  What&#8217;s the big deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Pieter</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-33021</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t those fees a little high for non-profit websites?</description>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the curious, Tynt is a Canadian company, and you can gain a good understanding of what Tynt is doing for publishers by reading this article from the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/measuring-reader-engagement-by-how-often-they-copy-and-paste/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the curious, Tynt is a Canadian company, and you can gain a good understanding of what Tynt is doing for publishers by reading this article from the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/measuring-reader-engagement-by-how-often-they-copy-and-paste/" rel="nofollow">http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/measuring-reader-engagement-by-how-often-they-copy-and-paste/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-33002</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“We’re not doing anything we haven’t always done. People can make use of excerpting or linking, that’s always been free of charge,” [...]. “But what we’re really doing and what we’ve always done is to protect our brand from inappropriate use.”

Can you please clarify this? It sounds like individuals are allowed to excerpt or link unless it&#039;s a case of making inappropriate use of the CBC brand. I understand that maintaining brand standards is important, but I don&#039;t understand how this relates to using the iCopyright software. Also, will an individual be given a takedown notice if their use is deemed inappropriate, or will a fine just immediately be given out? A fine of up to $1 million seems excessive when a post can simply be taken down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We’re not doing anything we haven’t always done. People can make use of excerpting or linking, that’s always been free of charge,” [...]. “But what we’re really doing and what we’ve always done is to protect our brand from inappropriate use.”</p>
<p>Can you please clarify this? It sounds like individuals are allowed to excerpt or link unless it&#8217;s a case of making inappropriate use of the CBC brand. I understand that maintaining brand standards is important, but I don&#8217;t understand how this relates to using the iCopyright software. Also, will an individual be given a takedown notice if their use is deemed inappropriate, or will a fine just immediately be given out? A fine of up to $1 million seems excessive when a post can simply be taken down.</p>
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		<title>By: CBC &#38; iCopyright &#124; Versus Boredom</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-33001</link>
		<dc:creator>CBC &#38; iCopyright &#124; Versus Boredom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McMaster still has concerns because iCopyright functions in terms of American copyright laws and not Canadian, but I want to know where they&#8217;ll draw the line. What exactly is the inappropriate use they want to protect their brand from? Is it available for commentary so long as it&#8217;s positive? Is it okay to just copy, paste and present? Hopefully we&#8217;ll see some clarity. Canadian Broadcasting Corporation signs up with weird American copyright bounty-hunters (BoingBoing) CBC and iCopyright – CBC responds (Cameron McMaster) CBC’s New Licensing System Causes Anger (Inside the CBC) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] McMaster still has concerns because iCopyright functions in terms of American copyright laws and not Canadian, but I want to know where they&#8217;ll draw the line. What exactly is the inappropriate use they want to protect their brand from? Is it available for commentary so long as it&#8217;s positive? Is it okay to just copy, paste and present? Hopefully we&#8217;ll see some clarity. Canadian Broadcasting Corporation signs up with weird American copyright bounty-hunters (BoingBoing) CBC and iCopyright – CBC responds (Cameron McMaster) CBC’s New Licensing System Causes Anger (Inside the CBC) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bytowner</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-32998</link>
		<dc:creator>Bytowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I consider this tracking tech usage Unnerving. Maybe even a tad rude.

When I cut &#039;n&#039; paste for the benefit of discussion boards elsewhere on the Net, I tend to make a habit of linking back to the source site, encouraging people to Go Look At The Original Material. Because it&#039;s usually good work.

The presumption which using this stuff, including the boilerplate legalese referred to earlier, implies a default suspicion of the audience, regardless of what the people who decided on this policy believed they were doing at the time that decision was taken.

And, as others noted, we&#039;re already paying for this service via taxes. Whether it&#039;s income, estate, GST, HST...and, yes, we&#039;re still well aware that Parliament&#039;s still shirking on paying on our behalf what it ought to be. As it&#039;s been shirking for over three decades, and given the current PM&#039;s opinion of the Corporation &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; of his POV re: the larger public&#039;s opinion of his opinion, as it likely will continue to shirk for the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I consider this tracking tech usage Unnerving. Maybe even a tad rude.</p>
<p>When I cut &#8216;n&#8217; paste for the benefit of discussion boards elsewhere on the Net, I tend to make a habit of linking back to the source site, encouraging people to Go Look At The Original Material. Because it&#8217;s usually good work.</p>
<p>The presumption which using this stuff, including the boilerplate legalese referred to earlier, implies a default suspicion of the audience, regardless of what the people who decided on this policy believed they were doing at the time that decision was taken.</p>
<p>And, as others noted, we&#8217;re already paying for this service via taxes. Whether it&#8217;s income, estate, GST, HST&#8230;and, yes, we&#8217;re still well aware that Parliament&#8217;s still shirking on paying on our behalf what it ought to be. As it&#8217;s been shirking for over three decades, and given the current PM&#8217;s opinion of the Corporation <i>and</i> of his POV re: the larger public&#8217;s opinion of his opinion, as it likely will continue to shirk for the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter J.</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-32997</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/14/1818222/Tynt-Insight-Is-Watching-You-Cut-and-Paste&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more about Tynt at Slashdot&lt;/a&gt;, including the standard Firefox workarounds like NoScript and AdBlock Plus, as well as comments from a Tynt employee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/14/1818222/Tynt-Insight-Is-Watching-You-Cut-and-Paste" rel="nofollow">more about Tynt at Slashdot</a>, including the standard Firefox workarounds like NoScript and AdBlock Plus, as well as comments from a Tynt employee.</p>
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		<title>By: CBC and iCopyright &#8211; CBC responds &#171; Canadian Media Policy Portal</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-32995</link>
		<dc:creator>CBC and iCopyright &#8211; CBC responds &#171; Canadian Media Policy Portal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CBC’s New Licensing System Causes Anger [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cameron McMaster</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-32993</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron McMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certaining hope it doesn&#039;t restrict it to 140 characters! Otherwise fair use = twitter!</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Mcgrath</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-32992</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Mcgrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cameron, 

Tynt, as I understand it, doesn&#039;t restrict to 140 characters. That&#039;s the &quot;average length of the copied content&quot; on its platform, not a restriction. 

ps. Good point about the difference between Can and U.S. law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cameron, </p>
<p>Tynt, as I understand it, doesn&#8217;t restrict to 140 characters. That&#8217;s the &#8220;average length of the copied content&#8221; on its platform, not a restriction. </p>
<p>ps. Good point about the difference between Can and U.S. law.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron McMaster</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethecbc.com/cbcs-new-licensing-system-causes-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-32991</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron McMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for responding!

I&#039;m glad to see that CBC is engaging the public on this issue. I would like to point out that my strongest concern with the new system is that it confuses Canadians about their copyright exemptions by invoking Fair Use rather than Fair Dealing. By using an American company that operates according to different kinds of legislation, the service doesn&#039;t provide any information about how Canadians can actually use copyrighted content according to its own laws.

Canada is in the midst of fighting a very strong battle for copyright sovereignty, which CBC reports on very well. I would think that the CBC would also like to foster copyright competency by actually invoking Canadian copyright law. 

Now that you report that you also use the Tynt script that creates an arbitrary limit on Fair Use of 140 words, I am yet again wondering whether the CBC understands what Fair Dealing is at all. It is not the size of the excerpt that matters, but how the dealing works with the material. 

As for my participation in the groups that exist on facebook, I am merely providing further information. I am trying to direct the public to recognize that we have already paid for the CBC, so boycotts are not the answer. I appreciate the CBC, and I value its content. I think Canadians do too, but the recent moves to ensure its brand give the impression that CBC doesn&#039;t serve its public, but rather advertisers. 

All published information does not require requests to use it; otherwise, there would be no news, commentary, or scholarship. I imagine using an automatic system makes licencing easier, but when it tracks every use and judges whether something is infringement solely based on word count, we&#039;ve entering into a world where freedom is based on length and number rather than spirit and intent.

Thanks for elaborating on how this new system operates, I hope that you add sections to licencing links that explain Canadian Fair Dealing provisions rather than let them think that they are under the watch of DRM Bounty Hunters.

best,

Cameron McMaster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for responding!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that CBC is engaging the public on this issue. I would like to point out that my strongest concern with the new system is that it confuses Canadians about their copyright exemptions by invoking Fair Use rather than Fair Dealing. By using an American company that operates according to different kinds of legislation, the service doesn&#8217;t provide any information about how Canadians can actually use copyrighted content according to its own laws.</p>
<p>Canada is in the midst of fighting a very strong battle for copyright sovereignty, which CBC reports on very well. I would think that the CBC would also like to foster copyright competency by actually invoking Canadian copyright law. </p>
<p>Now that you report that you also use the Tynt script that creates an arbitrary limit on Fair Use of 140 words, I am yet again wondering whether the CBC understands what Fair Dealing is at all. It is not the size of the excerpt that matters, but how the dealing works with the material. </p>
<p>As for my participation in the groups that exist on facebook, I am merely providing further information. I am trying to direct the public to recognize that we have already paid for the CBC, so boycotts are not the answer. I appreciate the CBC, and I value its content. I think Canadians do too, but the recent moves to ensure its brand give the impression that CBC doesn&#8217;t serve its public, but rather advertisers. </p>
<p>All published information does not require requests to use it; otherwise, there would be no news, commentary, or scholarship. I imagine using an automatic system makes licencing easier, but when it tracks every use and judges whether something is infringement solely based on word count, we&#8217;ve entering into a world where freedom is based on length and number rather than spirit and intent.</p>
<p>Thanks for elaborating on how this new system operates, I hope that you add sections to licencing links that explain Canadian Fair Dealing provisions rather than let them think that they are under the watch of DRM Bounty Hunters.</p>
<p>best,</p>
<p>Cameron McMaster</p>
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